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02/25/2013

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Jane Allison

Could not BG finish 4th with this senario? Ball State loses to UT and Central Michigan. Bg wins last 3. Both finish 11-5. Miami loses to Akron and finishes 10-6
BG has tiebreaker over Ball State. Lets add this. Akron loses to Buffalo the last day of season. Finishes 11-5. Who gets the byes if BG/Ball State/Akron tie at 11-5.

BG Fan

I am not sure, but I believe there is some sort of division-only tiebreaker which would go to Akron if BGSU and Akron tied in the final standings.

The teams split their two meetings, but BGSU is 4-3 right now against East Division teams. At best, BG could be 7-3 against the East Division. Akron is 6-1 against the East, so if the teams were to end in a tie, Akron would definitely hold the better division record. I am pretty sure that Akron wins a two-team tie with BGSU no matter what else happens in the last 3 games.

If BG/Ball State/Akron tie, I think it goes Akron, BG, Ball State in that order. The head to head would be Akron 2-1, BGSU 2-1, Ball State 0-2. So Ball State would be dropped below BG and Akron in the tiebreaker, and it would then go back to the two-team tiebreaker between BG and Akron, which Akron would win.

BG could definitely finish as high as 4th, but then you are asking Miami and Akron to lose to teams like Ohio and Kent State.

John_Wagner

Jane: Just making sure I have your question framed properly ... You want to know how to break a three-way tie between Ball State, Akron and Bowling Green if all three are 11-5?

In the scenario you paint, you have Miami losing to Akron (so they can't finish 11-5, much to BG's benefit). CMU also could finish 11-5 (but that would help BG, too).

BREAK THE TIE YOU SUGGEST: Akron and BG both beat BSU, so Ball State would be at the bottom of that tiebreaker. From there it's head-to-head (split), then record going down the standings, which BG would win thanks to its victory over CMU.

John_Wagner

BG Fan: The tiebreaker you refer to deals only with the Division title.

Here are the tiebreakers, with thanks to Jeremy Guy from the MAC Office for providing them ...

1. Between TWO teams:

A. Head-to-head competition

B. Division Record (10 games)^

C. Winning percentage* vs. ranked conference teams (top to bottom, regardless of division, vs. common opponents regardless of the number of times played)

D. Coin flip

^ - For the purpose of determining the Division champion only

* - Winning percentage is used instead of record because of situations where teams do not play each other the same number of times. Therefore, a team that is 1-0 (1.000) would win the tiebreaker over a team that is 2-1 (.667).

John_Wagner

BG Fan: I owe you an apology ... My understanding was that "B" was skipped when it came to seeding, since it only involved the division title.

I have been told that it is used ... which I guess makes since in this situation, since if Akron and BG tied, it probably would be for the division title. And yes, you are correct that Akron has the better division record, so they win the tiebreaker.

So again, I apologize. But I will say this: It makes no sense to use it in this situation, then not use it in non-division champ tiebreakers. Either it's a tiebreaker or it's not a tiebreaker.

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