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12/12/2013

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R. Gregory Stein

Opposition to the incumbent governor by alleged members of his own party. The GOP of 2013 does devour their own and open up the door to a democrat being elected. These tea partiers do not know the meaning of political pragmatism, just doctrinaire principles. Politics is the art of the possible, not idealistic babble. That is why the tea party may end up destroying the traditional GOP if it is not careful. The more I observe the tea partiers, the more they sound like the near disaster caused to the GOP in 1964 by the Goldwater Republicans. Stupid is as stupid does.

Daniel

Gregory, is is pragmatic to elect Republicans that pretty much do the same as democrats? Is it pragmatic to continue to expand government, especially in the face of 20 Trillion in government debt? Who is it that is pragmatic?

R. Gregory Stein

Politics is the art of the possible. Negotiations that lead to compromises concerning public policy for the common good of a majority of the people, not lock step hard core political principles adhered to by a small minority of the people. If $20 trillion in public debt is not your cup of tea, then win the presidency and a majority in both houses of Congress, and change the world. Otherwise, accept negotiated political positions and public policy as the way our country is governed. In the words of Barry Goldwater, he would rather be right than be President. As it turned out, he was neither. The tea party is following in his very narrow minded footsteps.

Adam smith

Unfortunately, your suggestion that the someone win election and cut is not very realistic. Its hard to get elected promising people that they simply get to keep what they have as opposed to telling them they can get something from someone else and get ahead. Sooner or later, the debt crisis will hit and maybe then you won't think those with forsight right now are narrow minded.

R. Gregory Stein

No foresight by you Adam. Just the usual crying wolf. Time to grow up and live in the real world rather than your pitiful Walter Mitty existence. I do live in the world of political reality. In our country if you win elections, you get to make the rules. I would love to see your name on a ballot defending many of your out of touch opinions before the voting public. Who knows? Maybe you are as smart as you think you are and you would be elected. Then you could impose your wisdom on the rest of us.

Samuel

Daniel, if you want the Ds to continue making judicial and bureaucratic appointments, just keep tearing the Rs apart. And Adam, you seem to be saying that one cannot get elected by telling the truth about debt and responsibility.
I am as conservative as anyone in the Tea Party, but I am pragmatic enough to know that I can live on a half a loaf of bread, but will starve to death with no bread.

Adam smith

NOt sure what your parable about bread means, but the day will come when we have to pay all this debt back and there might not be enough bread to go around then. If we never have to worry about paying it back, why not borrow 2 trillion a year instead on 1 trillion, or 4 trillion a year?

Daniel

Gegory, you talk about political realism but aren't fair to apply the same realism to debt. Do you think the debt can forever go up and never stop, never go over the fiscal cliff? If we never have to worry about paying the debt, why not triple or quadruple it. In your own life, do you think concerning yourself with too much debt is crying wolf? Time will tell who is right, and I sure hope its you, but that we can have endless debt in illogical.

Daniel

Or Gregory, how about this realism. If the federal gov had no debt, the 500 or so billion in interest savings would easily fund obamacare and more. So if we spend a few years paying off the debt, we can easily expand the safety net while not having debt that threatens us if we have a major war, depression or just run out of money to borrow.

R. Gregory Stein

Daniel, please run for office, get elected and change the world. I don't particularly like the increasing national debt, but if it helps keep food on the table for millions of children, a roof over the head of the poor, unemployment benefits for the jobless, affordable healthcare for all, and income for the retired, I am all for increasing the national debt if needed. Tough choices need to be made, and if you think you are better at it than our current elected officials, then run for office yourself.

Daniel

No Gregory, the debt will have to be paid for someday, and it will wipe out many of the features you refer too. Its like a twelve year old spending his allowances in advance, at some point, no one will loan him any more money and he will go without for a long time. What you continue to say is if the elected officials do it, its not a concern. Many countries have borrowed themselves over the cliff, history unfortunately is on my side.

R. Gregory Stein

Daniel, history is on my side. We pay the interest on our debt. Our debt is the safest and highest respected debt in the world. The republic stands despite your cries of wolf and the sky is falling. The sky is not falling. But as I said before, if you believe so strongly in your position about the financial unsoundness of our country, then you owe it to all of us ignorant, accepting people to run for office, get others who believe as you do to run for office, get elected and change our way of doing business. You owe us that much. Quit complaining and do something about it. Action, not words. Tired of people like you not willing to back up your beliefs by standing on the sidelines and complaining. Do something about it. Time to put up or shut up.

Samuel

My "parable" simply means that in the legislative process, I'll take something over nothing. I won't cut off my nose to spite my face, as many in the Tea Party seem wont to do.
I do agree with Daniel that the debt MUST be dealt with, and I will add that "entitlements" must also be addressed. But we won't get from here to there overnight, and baby steps are better than no steps at all. And if you elect any Democrat over any Republican, you are exacerbating the problem. I'd rather have a moderate Republican in a legislative office than any Democrat, and the Tea Party is influencing the primaries so that unelectable Republicans are being nominated, and that is a terrible outcome. Just look at recent US Senate races in Nevada, Missouri and Indiana for your proof.

Adam smith

Samuel, you say debt is a problem we won't solve 'overnight' We aren't solving it at all we are adding to it each and every year at record amounts!
Gregory, our debt is not respected. China and OPEC and The European Union have been making moves to quit pegging their currencies to our dollars, which means they won't want or need to loan us money anymore. We have gone to far. Bottom line is you can't logically explain how continuing to add debt will work out, it will have to either crash or we will have to stop adding to it, but your plan doesn't include either inevitable ocurrance.

R. Gregory Stein

Adam, long overdue for you to run for public office to fix all our problems. I do not have all the answers like you do, so please get elected to office so you can fix everything. No subject beyond your wisdom. So please, run for office, get elected and fix everything instead of telling everyone how wrong they are about everything you know. Someone as wise as you needs to lead the rest of us out of the darkness. I am totally incapable intellectually to counter all your knowledge about so many subjects, so I will merely tell you what I told Daniel. Stop complaining and correcting so many of us about the issues of the day. Bless us with your wisdom, intellect and leadership so our country can solve the US public debt problem and all the other issues for which you have the answers. Time for you too to put up or shut up. Also, I love your photo that appears with your Blade comments. Someday, after you are elected to public office, I may request an autographed copy. But not until you actually become an elected official and put yourself out there in the public domain as the choice of the people. Got to be a lot of smart people out there like you that will buy what you are selling as the solutions to our many problems.

Daniel

In the position and situation I am in, I am doing my part, paying taxes, voting and discussing the issues and solutions as I see them. To suggest I can only do my part by running for public office is to ignore what a democracy is. You are in effect saying shut up unless you run for office, and even then shut up unless a majority votes for you. Many movements and leaders don't get a majority vote but over time there point of view is found by the majority to be the path to follow. I refute your point to shut up unless I run for office.

R. Gregory Stein

Of course you are right Daniel. You should be able to howl at the moon any time you wish. I still do from time to time. Enjoy.

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